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people's warExplanation We have to say in the first instance that the Catholic Church reflected indeed the divisions of the society in which it found itself. Just as apartheid divided people according to colour, so did it divide the church, our church, into a black community and a white community. There was in effect a ... Did you every sexually molest any of those people? // No. // Did you ever engage in any sexual activity with those people? // No. // Did you ever make sexual advances to them? // No. ... and consequences on behalf of your men? // Yes. // And is that still your feeling today? // Yes, I take full responsibility from myself downward, for all my men’s actions, but not for those above me – not anymore. // Did you also expect the same from people who gave you orders? // ... Actually, it was a lie that I was tortured by ministers like the Minister of Foreign Affairs, Alfred Nzo and it was also lies that I was tortured by the late Chris Hani and also the late Secretary-General of the ANC, Thomas Nkobi. So, those were lies, but also within my statement that I made, my ... Paul van Vuuren, one of the five policemen implicated in Richard and Busisiwe Motasi’s murder offered to meet Thsidiso. // Hi Tshidiso, how are you? // I’m fine. // I’m glad to hear that. // This is Mandla, his cousin. // Hello Mandla, how are you? // Alright. // Listen let me tell you, all ... ... times, but after his death even those who hated him came to appreciate that not only was he a communist and a fearless soldier, he was also a warm, pragmatic man and a deeply loved leader committed to lasting ... ‘UWC History Project: Interview with the late Ivy Kriel read by her daughter Michelle Kriel.’ // Even before he started thinking in a political way was his personality at the time, he could not watch people suffer. // Ashley was a working class boy from Bonteheuwel in Cape Town born in the era ... While the politicians accuse and counter accuse, ordinary people are dying; nowhere do they die more frequently than in the beautiful Natal midlands. This is where Robert Zuma and Mduduzi Gumbi, supporters of the IFP, wasted the lives of fourteen people in 1991. They now want amnesty from the Truth ... We’re coming as an alternative force and then we have to prove to the people that we are indeed an alternative force, and then we had to do it by means of demanding and pressurizing the government. The room was full of blood, on the walls, and they said to me ‘do you see the blood on the walls?’ They said ‘this is the blood from the people like you, people who do not want to speak the truth.’ Before they could grab me they said, they asked me about Tsepho, that’s my aunt’s child. ... Sipho Hashe, my husband, was in Robben Island. He was arrested 1963 and came back 1973. And they gave him five years banning order, or registration I don’t remember which one is it now, but it was five years. He couldn’t even go out to the near school there. After my husband get through this, ... ... fathers of Cradock. Justice to me would certainly not be justice to Cradock as a whole, but I would like the people who have killed them to come forward so that people could know them. An eye for an eye wouldn’t do anyone any good, but at least honesty would be one form of justice. ... So I said to him, seeing that there is no South African diplomatic representative here I demand to see British High Commissioner. So, Commissioner looked at me and said, but you got a cheek, you got a cheek. So he calls somebody and says, take him down to the clinic. Then I knew more than ever that ... I see that Mrs. Seipei is in the audience here today and the thing that has been most difficult for me is that having heard the allegations I did not remove him from the mission house and get him to a place where he could be safe and I think if I acted in another way he could be alive today. And so ... I haven’t stopped coming home and when I started watching what was going on, especially in terms of the Truth Commission, it really struck a chord. I mean it’s absolutely a universal subject, one of forces of good and evil; that are completely universal. And it reminded I guess of the Nuremberg ... ... those whose release ought to have been secured? // Chairman it must have been, but only three as I said were released to me. // And did you become aware when you personally drove them to the office of Mr. Naidoo that Stompie was not amongst those? // I was aware Mr. Chairman that Stompie was not ... The legislation did play a very vital role in hindering the free flow of information during those days, but that is an excuse that is used by people who ran the media at the time ... as an excuse for not having gone further in exposing the atrocities and the injustices that were happening in the ... ‘Makoma’s statement read by lawyer’ // As the hand grenade exploded we took cover behind the doors, re-entered and while the people inside were screaming we started to shoot. We shot indiscriminately and I finished my full R4 magazine, some 31 rounds of ammunition. Our Truth Commission here is very different because we have television cameras recording every single moment and radio microphones, and it’s broadcast on a daily basis. Does that in your experience make a big difference? // It’s absolutely remarkable to me to watch the process here. I mean, ... Zweli Dlamini, another Caprivi trainee testified in a balaclava because he did not want the people in his village to know about his testimony. // We were dealing with the learning about arms, the attacking of houses. During the demonstration there was a house which was locked and we were shown as ... |
