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people's warExplanation If you look at the prognosis of Eugene de Kock. Anybody who thinks I took Eugene from Sunday school to prison…it’s just a fallacy. He has a bad profile, an evil profile. If you think of people he killed and at this point in time, how do you evaluate him and think that he may not continue that ... Joep Joubert discussed his broad plan with the then chief of the South African Defence Force Gen Jannie Geldenhuys. It happened at a social gathering. He says Geldenhuys gave him the go ahead but Geldenhuys now denies that this meant the killing of people. Over the past 18 months the Truth Commission’s Amnesty Committee has heard 250 applicants tell their stories in hearings. They include the men in uniform who served the previous government and the liberation forces as well as right wingers and civilian supporters of the ANC and PAC. Many of them ... There are a lot of people killed inside the country and outside the country which the TRC must exhume like in Botswana we’ve got about 600 people who have been killed by the security forces and the army there inside Botswana. We have investigated that and we found the graves. ... apparently, when the Buckaneers and the Camberers came in, most of the people were assembled on the parade ground. And, they caught them totally unaware and literally hundreds of people died on the parade ground. Any large external operation that the South African Defence Force did required ... It was the worst of it, where people are not allowed to stay with his wife. They said when they are married that you will be separated by death, but they are separated by the police. Wouter Mentz was a Vlakplaas policeman who had killed several people including one of his own colleagues and two deaf children in a Botswana raid. // I didn’t know that there were children, and if I recall they were two deaf-numb children. That was evil in killing them, because they caused no ... The one overwhelming problem that I have about this hearing is that there seems to be … I mean, either there’s a conspiracy theory or even a conspiracy directed against you by a wide range of people, not only the youngsters that came here and Mr. Morgan and the whole succession of people, ... ... and R650 on a black child. Fourie would like to see him explain his government’s education policy to the TRC. // We’re trying to bring Vlok forward or Malan forward about Vlakplaas and about a range of different specific killings. But one of the most dampening/damning effects of education ... Because it was turmoil. It was a real turmoil and the white people were really emotional. // Can you remember perhaps who was the person that kicked him against the head when he fell against the wall? // My Lord, it is unfortunate that I do not remember who kicked him, because there were so many ... Then Bennet Sibaya told his story. With his friend, Mazibuko he was going to visit an old girlfriend in Gugulethu, but he got lost. // I saw these children coming. I thought they had pipes in their hands, however when they were closer I realized that those were not pipes but weapons. They then put ... I was very ignorant, I didn’t know what I was coming to but it was a very crucial time in South Africa’s history and many people were emigrating. And here was I, arriving, very innocent, knowing very little about South Africa. Did I hear a comment from Cape Town? Did you come in Mr. Mzizi? May I have a quick word from you before I go to Donald Woods? // I feel that the process is one sided in that even if probably everyone should have been invited, whether these has been actually engineered by ANC. We did not oppose ... I was born in Boksburg, but have no memory of it, we moved to Pretoria when I was eighteen months old. My father is a Presbyterian minister, so I was brought up in a religious, spiritual household and although I am not a practicing Christian now I have a very strong sense of right and wrong and ... Even if they didn’t call it the final solution, one has to look at the facts. How many black people were killed in the process of either struggling against apartheid and so on? How many black people died as a result of hunger? How many were disadvantaged in so many ways and so deprived of all ... I’m preparing myself for the day when this government will be destroyed by its own people. I stand by what I have said in the past we’re heading for chaos and revolution. The answer for South Africa is written in blood and tears. Eastern Europe and the world give the right to nations to be ... In fact there were far more members of the South African and international media than supporters of Botha. // Only a few friends and supporters of Botha, six media people and some ANC representatives were allowed inside the court where Botha had to face Magistrate Victor Lugaju, president of the ... There were the cynics of course, some called it the ‘crying commission,’ but often they were white or old allies of apartheid and scared of the guilt that came with hearing the truth, but then there were those who became part of the telling and through that some sort of reconciliation. // You ... Alright, Benedict you wanted to come in? // Benedict from Special Report, SABC. Why have people like PW Botha not been subpoenaed to come to the TRC? // Well they don’t have to be subpoenaed. You see, I think the whole idea of subpoenaing people is only for purposes of investigating and ... At the end of the testimony on Duncan Village Truth Commissioner Bongani Finca insisted that those who treated victims of the massacre appear before the Truth Commission. We’ve all heard of the shameful role doctors have played in the deaths of activists like Steve Biko. But it is only now as the ... |
