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people's warExplanation I think with Magoo’s, you know we had a certain philosophy – after every activity that we did, after every action we would tell ourselves that it never happened, it was just a nightmare – it never happened. And you would sort of conscientise yourself to deaden that memory. It was a horrible ... Are you saying you never did anything wrong, that’s why you won’t apologise? // No but you are always in front to do wrong things. I know that gentleman, I know that gentleman. He’s one of the gentlemen I don’t like. // Are you going to apologise for the people who died in jail, who died in ... I was nearly hanged for something I didn’t do, I didn’t know anything about. I asked myself that how many people have been hanged who are innocent. Even today I’m not able to believe that I was in death row. // Duma Khumalo was granted a stay of execution 24 hours before he was to be hanged. This is the Vaal Triangle, home of Eskom, Sasol and many other big industries. Also home to millions of people who work at these industries and their families. They live in grim townships such as Sebokeng, Sharpeville, Bophelong and Boipatong. For some, mostly men from KwaZulu-Natal, this is only a ... Commissioner Johan van der Merwe also told the Truth Commission that the 1988 order to bomb Khotso House in Johannesburg originated in the state president’s office. // In 1988 the headquarters of the South African Council of Churches in Johannesburg was bombed. 18 people were injured and the ... The women always come there talking about what happened to their sons, to their husbands. They hardly tell us about what has happened and yet when you probe deeper you also find that they also experienced violations and some of them more terrible than some of the people they have come to talk ... Is it correct that the people that beat Stompie were Mrs. Mandela, Katiza, Slash and yourself? // Yes, but there are others. Everybody who was there participated as well as the other members of the Mandela United Football Club. I think cartooning is powerful in the sense that many people see the stuff every day. It’s very immediate and it does illicit reaction. When I say have I had reaction, sometimes that reaction comes through letters and other things where I don’t actually meet the people. Yes, it has a lot of ... Thank you, Donald Woods. // A quick point. Since I’ve been back in South Africa I’ve met very few whites who knew anything about the Cassinga massacre, a much bigger massacre than any of these others, and for the first time through the TRC this came to light. I think last week it was in your ... The sort of people I looked for were those who could amongst other things could act as assassins who could murder. I recruited two people for that purpose; you can’t find a sniper or a assassin behind every bush you know. Now so many things have been taken away from the oppressed people. Number one, land, it was just taken away and they became landless, their stock was taken away and all their possessions were taken away, even their self respect was taken away. So those people therefore that took that away, they ... Myself with my axe, I’d say after the others had fired and had run out of bullets, Michael in particular Rooivark. Some people were still moving; that is the ones that were shot. Ntjebo then instructed that we should finish them off and I hit the ones who were still moving. I was only ... Alright, you want to go back to… // No simply I think the George Bizos example’s good, also for the Biko killers. We heard these probing questions and unlike the original so-called inquest where half the stuff couldn’t be brought out, at least the public… and I take Herman’s point that it ... The intention was not to kill him brutally, it was to make the whole thing appear … it was to simulate robbery, but unfortunately on the scene of crime certain things develop that you don’t expect. Mxenge’s physical strength was undermined, but when he was stabbed, he stood up and he fought. ... In Mrs Mandela’s house, the back room has a sliding door. In the middle is the Jacuzzi, and this side is another room with the toilet outside. So when I finished pissing, I heard a noise, like somebody crying. When I saw Mrs Mandela, I was hidden by small trees and flowers by the Jacuzzi. I saw ... It’s a strange dynamic and as I speak internationally about this, it’s always a surprise if you state that simple fact that remorse is not required and someone can feel no remorse and get amnesty. However I agree with those persons here who have explained and I think it is right that you ... ... were already there in 1963 and it is interesting that some of the generals who appeared here and have appeared in the Truth Commission records were Warrant Officers, Sergeants, Lieutenants. Lieutenant Victor and Van der Merwe, they were Lieutenants in 1963, ‘64 torturing me. They rose to become ... He was an organizer in the Pebco. He helped the people. I remember one time there is the people who have no place to stay in those shacks far away, like Dan Qeqe. So they take those people to here in Rio hall here and then he’d always cook soup for those people, every day they are going to fetch ... It is quite clear that certain people who took part in the invasion here were working for the South African Government. For the past three days we’ve been listening to sometimes conflicting but nevertheless extremely damning evidence about kidnapping and vicious assault on four young people. We should also not forget that Madikizela-Mandela was convicted of kidnapping by a court of law and there’s very little ... |
